Yes, I do remember that Jesus said to forgive anyone who sins against us 7 X 70 and that if we don’t forgive those who sin against us, the Father will not forgive our sins. But what I’m actually asking is about repeating deliberate sin…is there ever a point of “NO Return”?
Once Saved ALWAYS Saved? The thought here is that when you accept Jesus as your Savior, his blood cleanses you from past sins as well as future sins. I’m totally in agreement with the forgiveness of past sins, but I don’t quite understand the future sins concept. I can see that if we recognize that we have sinned after being saved and that if we ask forgiveness, we will be forgiven, but I’m referring to the idea that some people have that they are automatically forgiven when they repeat their sins over and over because they believe that they can’t lose their salvation.
I’d like to address the following Scriptures:
In the Book of John, we are told of the healing of a man who’d been crippled for 38 years. Jesus told him to pick up his bed and walk. The Pharisees became incensed because he’d healed on the Sabbath. After Jesus had healed him and he’d gone to the Temple, Jesus found him again…
John 5:1 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
John 8:3-11 Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, making her stand in the center. 4 “Teacher,” they said to Him, “this woman was caught in the act of committing adultery. 5 In the law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do You say?” 6 They asked this to trap Him, in order that they might have evidence to accuse Him. Jesus stooped down and started writing on the ground with His finger. 7 When they persisted in questioning Him, He stood up and said to them, “The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Then He stooped down again and continued writing on the ground. 9 When they heard this, they left one by one, starting with the older men. Only He was left, with the woman in the center. 10 When Jesus stood up, He said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 “No one, Lord,” she answered. “Neither do I condemn you,” said Jesus. “Go, and from now on do not sin anymore.”
***In my thoughts, these verses aren’t just about adultery or any particular sin…it’s about ALL SIN…”sin is sin” in the eyes of our Heavenly Father and HE cannot look upon sin. His perfection is beyond anything us mere humans can imagine! Without the perfect life of Jesus -Yeshua (Hebrew) and HIS sacrificial blood covering us, we would immediately die in the presence of our Father in Heaven.
Romans 6:12-13 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
***I’m addressing this issue because I have some friends and family who believe that once they accepted Jesus as their Savior, that no matter what they do or don’t do they can no longer lose their Salvation. That they can live their lives the way they always have. What this kind of thinking actually means in the scope of eternity…I honestly don’t know for certain as it’s not my place to judge them. However, if they’re wrong, it is my place to exhort them and convince them to repent (turn away from their sin). I’m praying and I’m searching… if any one reading this has some insight from the Bible…please share it with me.
***I’m not entirely sure whether or not continuing in sin may or may not cause a loss of Salvation, but I do sincerely believe it will cause a loss of fellowship with our Father and with Jesus His Son.
These are some of the Scriptures used by Christians to reinforce their interpretation of once saved, always saved:
Hebrews 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
***In my mind, I see that Jesus, who’s the lamb of God, is our FINAL Sacrifice and that we no longer need to kill an animal to atone for our sins.
Hebrews 9:24-28 For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
***this says to me that Jesus willingly following the will of His Father, gave the ultimate sacrifice: John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Definition of Friend: a person whom one knows and with whom one has a bond of mutual affection, typically exclusive of sexual or family relations. To some degree…isn’t friendship a two way street? Would you do anything to damage a true friendship? Isn’t deliberate sin damaging to a relationship with Jesus and the Father?
Hebrews 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
***to me this means that never again will there be another blood atonement for sin. Jesus paid it ALL!
Hebrews 10:12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God,
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
***I personally don’t interpret these Scriptures as “Once saved always saved”. I believe what is being said here is that it’s no longer needed for us to atone for our sins with the killing of a sacrificial lamb on a particular day or celebration to atone for our sins. Jesus is the Lamb of God and He willingly was the final and last sacrifice. This doesn’t mean that we can continue in our same old sins or that our future sins will automatically be forgiven because at some point in time, we asked Jesus into our lives – However, no matter what we speak with our lips, HE knows the condition of our hearts!
II Peter 1:7-11 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
***My thoughts are that these Scriptures are talking about what we need to do to continue in service to Jesus, to our Father in Heaven and to our fellowman. That we were purged of “OLD SINS”. And when we remember His gift and we continue diligently to follow Christ, we have entrance to the Kingdom of God. I can’t see where this says that we can continue in sin. But if I’m missing something, PLEASE SHOW ME.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
***Jesus the Son and God the Father ALWAYS keep their promises! This is a fact! We MUST NOT become complacent! We must stay alert and follow the teachings of Jesus! So if we follow the doctrine of “Once Saved Always Saved” and this isn’t the case, how do we stand before God and expect to receive our crown of life?